We’re gonna continue ingnorance week at Jackson G. Tickle Enterprises with a look at a new trend that seems to be sweeping the nation, and I’m not talking the Nation of Islam, I’m talking the nation of club-going individuals and men to women interactions more specifically.
Yes ladies and gentleman, we’re going to examine the shift from trying to convince a woman to go home with you to basically telling her to give you that p**** and why that seems okay!!!
[***Sidenote: You know, I curse quite frequently and my language use at times could make Roseanne blush, however there is one word that is just downright the nastiest, dirtiest, most filthy word in the English language: pussy. I just feel dirty every time I say that word, which is very rare since I don't like feeling dirty. Who does? For some reason it's up there with the word "delicious" (there is no masculine way to say delicious, there just isn't) as words I just do not feel right saying at any time, place, or subway station. ***]
Since summer started, there have been two songs that I just can’t escape no matter where I go. They just so happen to be two of the most downright ignorant songs ever created. Mind you, I like totally ignorant songs. I’m often offended when people go just a little ignorant and still try to be respectful in parts. I hate that with a passion. If you’re going to do something, go all the way with it dammit.
Panama says, if you’re going to do something, do it well.
Message!
The two guilty pleasures I’m speaking of are the Ying Yang Twins’ song “Wait (The Whisper Song)” and Lil Webbie’s song “Gimme That”. Actually, I only really like the Ying Yang Twins song. I love that song and if you don’t I almost think you’re a hater (except for the fact that it’s, you know, the Ying Yang Twins). In fact, they actually put out a damn good album. I know, I know, I may have just garnered a universal “huh” from the educated people out there, but I’ll be R. Kelly’s attorney (similar to a monkey’s uncle without the guilty feeling of waking up scratching yourself only to realize you’re ass is red like an orangutan…makes no sense does it?) if this album doesn’t actually have songs on there that might, in effect, make you…
…wait for it…
…you ready?…
…seems like you’re ready…
…think.
Trust me, it amazed me too.
Lil Webbie’s album?? Well, let’s just say, its a journey through the land of bitches, hoes, and what he’ll do to another nigga. On every song. For a whole album. Yes, it’s that bad. I know I said I like my ignorance all the way, but can you vary the ignorance or at least make it comedic?? For instance, NWA’s EFIL4ZAGGIN, which is one of my two favorite rap albums of all time, with the other being De La Soul is dead, has certain songs dedicated to killing people, others dedicated to bitches and hoes, and others dedicated to just plain ole dumb shit. Even the skits, chock full of ignorance have some comedic value to them. It’s very funny to hear an album full of at least 1.2 million murders have a PSA geared towards ending drunk driving…especially when in said PSA they tell you to smoke some weed instead.
Good times I swear.
I seem to have lost my point somewhere…just wait ’til I get on track, I’m gonna finally make my point…like BAM BAM…oh yes…clubs.
These songs, though very vulgar and disprespectful to women, seem to be all the rage. For instance, in the Ying Yang masterpiece “Wait”, they aren’t whispering sweet nothings in the ear of their victim, they’re telling her to pull her thumb out of her mouth and insert his schlongage. The fact that any women would be sucking her thumb at a club is problematic in the first place, but I guess some guys are into that kind of thing. At least you know she ain’t afraid to put someth…aww skip it.
These fools are whispering, “just wait til you see my Ooooh, I’m gonna beat that, beat that up” (I really like how in the original video version they have that “ooooooh” as the replacement for male genitalia…I do love it indeed). And I’ll bet some chick in some club in some city in America, now, because of that song, will find it funny and charming, and leave with some dude that says that.
Then on the flip side, instead of whispering at the object of desire, Lil Webbie cuts straight the point and very aggressively tells the chick, GIMME THAT P****! There’s no whispering going on there. Nosiree bob. Now it’s not the methods that really have me vexed, it’s what is being said. And more importantly…
…does that shit work?
If it does work, when did this paradigm shift occur? Back in the day, you essentially had to cake a chick into leaving the club with you. As a man, you were required to make her believe you were a good man who wouldn’t take advantage of her 30 minutes after you left the club, even if your sole purpose for living was to take advantage of her 30 minutes after you left the club. It was just the rules, play the nice buy/bad boy angle. You couldn’t just tell a chick, “look baby, just wait til you see my dick…you’re gonna love it!! For real, you will, cross my heart, hope to have you spread 8 ways from Sunday over my Cotton-esque blend comforter.”
But the popularity of these songs makes me wonder if women just got tired of all the game and decided the truth was the most important. You hear from women all the time that they want a man to just be real about his intentions, but i believe that the second he says, “well…GIMME THAT P****…girl gimme that…girl gimme that gimme that there…”, you’re gonna be offended.
The Ying Yang’s approach seems a little more smooth, though none the less as aggressive.
“you fine but I ain’t gonna sweat ya/girl I wanna fuck, tell me what’s up”-the one that doesn’t yell so much
I mean does that approach garner better results? If a man approaches a woman nowadays like that, is his success rate going to increase? And just for kicks, if he follows that line up with,”I’m gonna beat that p**** up”, does he lose points?
I often hear men say that they want aggressive women. You know, the kind of woman who will come up to them and express their intentions to ride the rodeo. Well, that ain’t me jack. It tends to make me uncomfortable. For one…what the hell am I supposed to do then?? You took all my game away and basically relegated me to a “yay” or “nay”. Can I get a little conversation or something, maybe get to know me a little??
Hmm…delicious.
But do women like that approach as well? And if so, can somebody put an APB out to all men across the nation so they can quit looking lame as broke neck ostriches in Toledo after a hurricane by spitting stupid lines and lies to women. Just tell the truth to them that you want to hit. If the popularity of these songs is any indication, that’s all it takes anyway.
Besides, if you do that, you get to say BAM BAM BAM BAM about 18 times…
…and according to the video, the ladies love that.
First of all, anyone who has “De La Soul is Dead” as one of their favorite albums is OK in my book.(Great choice) I have to agree with the Ying Yang’s song being a guilty pleasure, even though that is hard to admit. Good post man.
Let me just put it out there that as a music lover, I can appreciate the innovative side of “Wait”….almost.
I am given pause by the fact that I am a woman, and as a woman, I cannot knowingly cosign on such ignorance and degradation. I have let many a b-word slide for the love of music, but this is where the line must be drawn. I see red everytime I think about somebody approaching me with that. The first time I heard it, I just IMAGINED myself in a club with some lame bastid whispering that in my ear as the song came on, and I was ready to go Bobbitt on a nigga.
As for Wedgie (yeah, I know his name)…am I the only one who has noticed that this is song might as well be titled “Ode to Date Rape”??? Damn. Girls, we gotta get it together. The “he ain’t talking about me” attitude can only stretch so far. This isht is just plain unacceptable. I wish a nigga WOULD!!!
*stomping off, seeing red and renewing membership to NRA*
*doing a Brown sugar and commenting before I finish reading*
Umm… it’s so funny you started out talkinga bout the P-word because when you used it the first time, the first thing I thought was… “Wow… does he USE that word??” ROFLMAO because it is the most vulgar word EVER. I NEVER used to say it. AT ALL EVER… But… for some reason, I recently got a little more comfortable with using it in certain contexts.
Now… back to your looooooooong-ass-and-you-wonder-why-they-use-you-as-the-prototype-for-long-ass-posts… post. LOL =)
I love that Webbie song, particularly the first three lines.
People take songs so literal these days. Clearly the Whisper song appproach ain’t gonna work. Most chicks ain’t in to that whole “hey Bitch! Wait till you see my dick!!” While Mr. Thug Life may indeed express such sentiments to a female, I doubt it would really work with any considerable amount of success that could be replicated.
Gimmie That is fairly aggressive. But women like it rough. Well, ok some women do (I ain’t namin no names!). lol.
I have a friend from Columbus, who lived in Texas (which gives this story a little validity) that says that people down south have an “understanding” about sex that Northerners, Easterners and Westerners don’t understand. Songs like ‘Gimme That’ and the Ying Yang joint was just a pop culture reference to what ever was already going down.
I’m working on the anser…”I Don’t Wanna See Your Dick”…who wants to throw a verse on?
I think you are correct, that MANY women will just take honesty at this point. It’s all they ask. They don’t care WHAT is coming out of your mouth as long as it is the truth. I too have to admit that “Wait” is a song that TOTALLY turns me on. Every time. It is a dirty, vulgar song. If my mama ever heard that song she would probably have a heart attack. And I think it is awful that that type of song is not only acceptable, but POPULAR. However, I dig that song. It is the devils music though.
Women will go for these lines. Women always have and will. Sure, back in the day a dude had to be tactful. But nowadays, tact is out the door! I’m willing to bet if you Panama, poster-child for all things sexxy, went to a club, let’s say DREAM, and said this shyt to 10 women, 8 of them would be waiting at the exit for you later that night.
Adding to what Kajuana said,
…that’s after the 8 that dragged your ass into the Bathroom because they couldn’t wait til they saw your OOOOOOOOOOh bring you back onto the dance floor.
A couple of years ago I went clubbing in cincy with my cousin. He played ball for xavier, so he was pretty well known around town and shit. Anyway, I actually witnessed this dude say to a chick (a decent looking chick at that) “you look good, I look good…we need to fuck” and have that shit actually WORK. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that for some it doesn’t matter what you say, its all about who is saying it
Until recently, I didn’t even know who Lil’ Webbie was, much less, what that sad little song was about.
I can at least, tolerate Ying Yang, ONLY because of the bass line. That even has away of getting old. This has been a sore subject in my household. My kids were protesting “but ma, they have nice beats”, until I asked “Do you want someone rollin’ up on your sister with THAT mess?” Considering my son was ready to rip someone’s head off for “propositioning” her, I made headwaves with him quick.
I thought only girls did not like the p-word. I myself cannot stand the word. I does make you feel dirty, lol. I do think SOME men can get away with being as vulgar as they wanna be with SOME women. I however am not a fan of either of those songs and I would want to smack the shit out of any dude that would say something to me like that. Even if it were Boris………okay I’m lying on that one!!!
Great post! ‚ÄúWait‚Äù IZ a MASTERPIECE and should be followed with a 5 part series similar to kells ‚Äútrapped n the closet‚Äù! The outright-straightfoward approach DOES work but of course it depends on who you’re dealing with, at what particular time and condition they’re in and if there’s ‘interference’ going on a.k.a. FRIENDSorHATERS…that’s right! COCKBLOCKERS!!
I will say honesty iz still alwayz the best policy…
In addition…I must say that the webbie song iz one one the wackest songs ever made!! Don’t get it twisted…I LUV and appreciate the verse from Bun B (probably the most underrated emcee’s ever) but the song is still weak and I feel Bun was bamboozled into lending his vocals to that song.
The whole p-word thing is tricky for me. I abhor that word in reference to an actual vagina (even that word is gross, but at least it’s technical). However, I have been known to refer to a lame, punk ass ni**a as a pu**y, if he is one. Does that even make sense?
Oh – and i luuuuv the damn Whisper Song, ashamed as i am to admit it. It’s hottttt.
Why would saying the word pussy make you feel dirty??? Afterall, it’s only a word. Liberate yourself, repeat it several times a day. Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy. Presumably pussy has been good to you hasn’t it?? I mean after all if treated right, they smell nice, lubricates its self for you, one day it’s going to push out your babies, if touched right it will contract all over your joystick. Why would you be afraid to say a word that provides all these great things?? I certainly don’t have a problem saying pussy. Pussy has been good to me. I’m a bitch that goes both ways, so I have to lick and suck. Take it light!
Da hell at “just wait til you see my Ooooh, I’m gonna beat that, beat that up” and “GIMME THAT P****”.. I wish a nigga would tell me some shit like that.. Beat WHAT up??? What female in their right mind wants their p***Y to be beat up? That is NOT cute! I have had my p***** beat up a time or two (or 3 or 4) and it hurts. It is really uncomfortable to say the least. Ice packs galore, nahmean? *rolling my eyes* But you know what? Yeah, at least they are not being subliminal or sneaky or anything. They are being honest and straightforward.. I can appreciate that.. But just hope that men can also appreciate when woman come at them honestly.. All that “GIMME THAT P****” talk will only result in a reaction of “GIMME THAT GOT DAMN MONEY” talk from me! Shit, I give up the p**** and you give up the money.. Gotta pay to play.. *rotfl!!*
Seriously though Panama, I think you already know just how much I am riding your dick right now. You are just so hilarious. I enjoy your writing so much. You keep me entertained every time I come here.. Keep it up, buddy! Good job! *lol* *muah*
I am guilty of liking “Give Me That” by Lil’ Webbie….Actually it’s not really the song I’m feeling but the delivery of this line :
*****Look you know you want it
Girl don’t act like you don’t want it
Girl you want it just as bad as I do
But check this out
You gon be wishing that you been gave me your number
By the time I finish rumbling with you
Wop, Wop get loose, let’s take this shit to the room******
If any man said that to me he most definately would not have a chance but trust there are plenty of down for whatever females who go for guys that actually speak to them like that. They find the crude and direct approach to be attractive.
I have loved Wait for a minute. I think its because they’re whispering vulgarities. It at least gives the appearance that they have a wee bit of tact.
As for Give me that…I had to force myself not to listen to it. Once I hear a song’s bangin beat and catchy chorus I tend to like it instantly. When I listened to the words and realized he was rapping about borderline rape I just couldn’t do it. Strong arm it? (I still catch myself singing it sometimes…I am ashamed of myself!) lol
Yes indeed… I certainly hate to love these songs, but they are so damn catchy! Mr. Jackson, I find myself in a situation that you mentioned a while back. I have 2 sons, ages 7 and 11, and as soon as one of those songs come on when we’re in the car (which has got to be every two and a half damn minutes), I change the station. I know they’ve heard them, they know I know they’ve heard them, but I just can’t stand to listen to them with the kids. Ah, the plight of the oldhead /parent…
…laughing..I can relate to both sides of this. I mean, I do want to hear the Wait song, while really tipsy in a bar with that hot guy you’ve been playing eye tag all night, and he looks familar enough for your friends to grant you a 30 min make-out session, that you eventually chicken out of. But then when all sobered up and watching the ug mugs who actually sing the song, it basically enrages me. I mean do you see those two fellas. I mean Forget Wait, how about halt! CEASE! BACKUP! DAYUM!
Huh. I have to say I’m not a big fan of much of the hippety hop or the rapatap for this very reason. And I wonder how in the hell we as a people…that’s right, AS A PEOPLES, I SAY…uh, bring ourselves back from the kind of brink where we have to debate how fucked up this is at all.
Then again, when Trent Reznor whispered
I wanna fuck you like an animal/
I wanna feel you from the inside…
on “closer,” I did feel a little twinge, a frisson, of excitement. And I was ashamed to not be as horrified.
Which means it depends on the deliverer, and the delivery, and the state of mind of the recipient of the attention, I guess.