Comments on: Exactly, WHERE Is That and WHERE Did That Come From?? http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/ Sponsored by the Black hand side, Fantasia's English teacher and Frederick Douglass' hairstylist Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:31:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Tha_Get_It_Guurl http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Tha_Get_It_Guurl Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:13:16 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-98 Wow! I like how I wasn't even looking for this subject. I was actually trying to find where Pimpin originated (its for a project at school, don't worry,)but my stupid word engine on my computer took the words "Pimpin...Africa" from your paragraph and led me to this complex and sophisticated article on "my heritage" and on my "true" heritage. I'm so happy I found this site. It's so weird, I never really took the time to just sit and think about this subject, and its like this article has completly opened my mind and eyes to ignorant sayings as "I'm from A-Country" or, "Yea, Africa is my homeland". Yea, sure, it might seem funny (or atleast, it was funny to me), but now I realize how stupid they truly make us black people look and sound. Truly this was an intelligent peice and I think it deserves to be put in a newspaper or magazine somewhere! Wow! I like how I wasn’t even looking for this subject. I was actually trying to find where Pimpin originated (its for a project at school, don’t worry,)but my stupid word engine on my computer took the words “Pimpin…Africa” from your paragraph and led me to this complex and sophisticated article on “my heritage” and on my “true” heritage. I’m so happy I found this site. It’s so weird, I never really took the time to just sit and think about this subject, and its like this article has completly opened my mind and eyes to ignorant sayings as “I’m from A-Country” or, “Yea, Africa is my homeland”. Yea, sure, it might seem funny (or atleast, it was funny to me), but now I realize how stupid they truly make us black people look and sound. Truly this was an intelligent peice and I think it deserves to be put in a newspaper or magazine somewhere!

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]]> By: Dread http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Dread Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:00:03 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-96 My one point...If one doesnt embrace a culture which is a facet of its many roots then you can expect another to peddle it to them bastardizaed and diluted so that they may never truly know the specifics..In the whole notion of the genral african usuage by black americans the ideology is of 'we dont know exactly where but we know something belonging is there' you know and as referring to dropping it like its hot..It DEFITINATELY african..I can tell you of a village of african women called the lagos? who were nationally known within africa for dipping it low and shakingi t fast..Now Im not saying its stripper steez shit but its a complete indication of some of the dances we have in the streets ya know My one point…If one doesnt embrace a culture which is a facet of its many roots then you can expect another to peddle it to them bastardizaed and diluted so that they may never truly know the specifics..In the whole notion of the genral african usuage by black americans the ideology is of ‘we dont know exactly where but we know something belonging is there’ you know and as referring to dropping it like its hot..It DEFITINATELY african..I can tell you of a village of african women called the lagos? who were nationally known within africa for dipping it low and shakingi t fast..Now Im not saying its stripper steez shit but its a complete indication of some of the dances we have in the streets ya know

]]> By: Aries http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Aries Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:13:28 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-95 following the Dr Strangejazz trend: Pouring out liquor for the dead homies - African following the Dr Strangejazz trend:

Pouring out liquor for the dead homies – African

]]> By: Dr. Strangejazz http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-94 Dr. Strangejazz Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:33:30 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-94 Here's what I do think. I think generations of our people died without really knowing anything about themselves; as far as their history/culture goes. Of course some were able to hand it down through oral tradition but most of our history/culture was lost. Do I think their lives were incomplete? No. Incomplete is too harsh a term. I would say they were cheated. Here’s what I do think. I think generations of our people died without really knowing anything about themselves; as far as their history/culture goes. Of course some were able to hand it down through oral tradition but most of our history/culture was lost. Do I think their lives were incomplete? No. Incomplete is too harsh a term. I would say they were cheated.

]]> By: Maverick http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-93 Maverick Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:43:26 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-93 I don't see why this "has been a very disheartening experience"...who are you doing this for? I hope not the people on this list. This should not be disheartening if you are doing it for yourself... This whole conversation is not to discourage people who want to find out more about their African heritage...it is to discourage people in finding purpose in their lives by looking to others. It is very good to find out as much as you can about where you came from. But at the same time, realize that you are defining your own existence everyday and that ancestors from 2,000 years ago cannot define you as much as you can define yourself. Dr. Strangejazz said earlier how there are so many Blacks that died not knowing that their people may have been among the first on this earth. I really hope he is not saying that this somehow left them incomplete when they died. Because you should have lived your life to the fullest, despite that. These things that we find out about our ancestors are great things to know, but your life should not have less meaning if you don't know that. And that is what it seems to me like some people are saying... I don’t see why this “has been a very disheartening experience”…who are you doing this for? I hope not the people on this list. This should not be disheartening if you are doing it for yourself…

This whole conversation is not to discourage people who want to find out more about their African heritage…it is to discourage people in finding purpose in their lives by looking to others. It is very good to find out as much as you can about where you came from. But at the same time, realize that you are defining your own existence everyday and that ancestors from 2,000 years ago cannot define you as much as you can define yourself. Dr. Strangejazz said earlier how there are so many Blacks that died not knowing that their people may have been among the first on this earth. I really hope he is not saying that this somehow left them incomplete when they died. Because you should have lived your life to the fullest, despite that. These things that we find out about our ancestors are great things to know, but your life should not have less meaning if you don’t know that. And that is what it seems to me like some people are saying…

]]> By: MS. Trump Tight http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-92 MS. Trump Tight Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:23:14 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-92 Thanks... I'm a Ms. not a Mr.... Hadiah. And I was the one who mentioned doing genealogical research, because I AM a historian, and I currently assist my mother in doing the research on our family. We have been able to trace to parts of the Caribbean, in hopes to lead us further back, so I am attempting to do that... the problem is not me; its the people that are NOT attempting to find their connections to PARTS of Africa. Forgive us lowly African Americans who are searching for some connection to the Motherland... this has been a very disheartening experience... and to the Diva... Alex Haley's piece was fictional, but his research was not. Peace to you. Thanks… I’m a Ms. not a Mr…. Hadiah. And I was the one who mentioned doing genealogical research, because I AM a historian, and I currently assist my mother in doing the research on our family. We have been able to trace to parts of the Caribbean, in hopes to lead us further back, so I am attempting to do that… the problem is not me; its the people that are NOT attempting to find their connections to PARTS of Africa. Forgive us lowly African Americans who are searching for some connection to the Motherland… this has been a very disheartening experience…

and to the Diva… Alex Haley’s piece was fictional, but his research was not. Peace to you.

]]> By: soul http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-91 soul Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:52:10 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-91 Hello all, nice post. I'm an African woman. Nigerian to be exact. I have nothing controversial to add here, seems to me like you guys wanna just either research this or are just letting off some steam.. which is all good in my book. I just gotta say this.. with regards to the question of the middle east/iraq and iran possible being a part of Africa.. They ACTUALLY were a part of Africa, known as Gondwanaland. at that point, the geographical plates shifted over centuries and caused the land drift which seperates the mid east from Africa. Oh and some mentioned above that Africans refer to Black Americans as Americans.. yep some do, but so what?. The point is no-one can take your heritage away from you if you don't give it up. I've been arpund Americans who refer to Africans as booty scratchers.. I've read blogs by Black American women referring to Africans as booty scratchers, so what?. I've had countless discussions with African Americans about the issue of Africa and what it mens to them and to me. And why black Americans can be viewed sepeerate from the diaspora.. But I digress. There are many things that originate from Africa, the place is like that, we don't create everything and we don't destroy everything. In anycase, I've rambled on enough. Peace Hello all, nice post.
I’m an African woman. Nigerian to be exact.
I have nothing controversial to add here, seems to me like you guys wanna just either research this or are just letting off some steam.. which is all good in my book.

I just gotta say this.. with regards to the question of the middle east/iraq and iran possible being a part of Africa..
They ACTUALLY were a part of Africa, known as Gondwanaland. at that point, the geographical plates shifted over centuries and caused the land drift which seperates the mid east from Africa.

Oh and some mentioned above that Africans refer to Black Americans as Americans.. yep some do, but so what?.
The point is no-one can take your heritage away from you if you don’t give it up.
I’ve been arpund Americans who refer to Africans as booty scratchers.. I’ve read blogs by Black American women referring to Africans as booty scratchers, so what?.
I’ve had countless discussions with African Americans about the issue of Africa and what it mens to them and to me. And why black Americans can be viewed sepeerate from the diaspora..
But I digress.

There are many things that originate from Africa, the place is like that, we don’t create everything and we don’t destroy everything. In anycase, I’ve rambled on enough.

Peace

]]> By: The Gotdamn Diva http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-90 The Gotdamn Diva Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:31:01 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-90 I cannot believe that AS A HISTORIAN you chose Alex Haley to hold up as a model to follow for tracing our roots and history.

“Do you think Alex Haley was bullshittin when he made Roots?”

Uh, yeah, pretty much.

AS A JOURNALIST, I feel obligated to let you know that slapping a “non-fiction” title on a highly fictionalized (and partially plagiarized) piece of writing does not a historical, genealogical account make.

]]> By: Maverick http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Maverick Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:49:10 +0000 http://jacksongtickle.com/2005/03/21/exactly-where-is-that-and-where-did-that-come-from/#comment-89 No need for me to be easy because I am not coming at you...I am just trying to approach the things that I am assuming you are saying. All we can really do is assume what people are trying to say from their comments on this post, because none of us truly know what the other person may mean... You are right...the "I got mine you get yours" mentality is dangerous. But not when it comes to identity. It is dangerous when we talk about material gain and things where in order for you to gain it, you must stand above someone else. With identity and self-realization, we can all get that together. So I don't see the danger in that... Also, I am not saying embrace America, I am saying embrace Blacks in America. There is a difference. American culture is watering us down...not just Blacks but people of all races. You are a person before you are an America. All of these associations and affiliations that we are placing on each other are causing us to define ourselves in abstract concepts. You can't touch citizenship...you can't see religion. However, you can see that you are Black...that is an association that is concrete. This concept of America is not. So we need to look toward unity with the people that we see everyday before we start looking for bonds with people we may never meet... As for the judging, I wasn't speaking to you in particular...it was a general statement. It is fine to look at the past, but you are defined by the present as well. The things and the people around you define you as well as where you came from. And if the people around us, the Black people living in America, are not in the position where they need to be, that reflects on us all. The glory of the past does not affect the position that we are in now...we need to worry about acting on things that are happening now. The people from the past lived their lives...it is time for us to live ours... No need for me to be easy because I am not coming at you…I am just trying to approach the things that I am assuming you are saying. All we can really do is assume what people are trying to say from their comments on this post, because none of us truly know what the other person may mean…

You are right…the “I got mine you get yours” mentality is dangerous. But not when it comes to identity. It is dangerous when we talk about material gain and things where in order for you to gain it, you must stand above someone else. With identity and self-realization, we can all get that together. So I don’t see the danger in that…

Also, I am not saying embrace America, I am saying embrace Blacks in America. There is a difference. American culture is watering us down…not just Blacks but people of all races. You are a person before you are an America. All of these associations and affiliations that we are placing on each other are causing us to define ourselves in abstract concepts. You can’t touch citizenship…you can’t see religion. However, you can see that you are Black…that is an association that is concrete. This concept of America is not. So we need to look toward unity with the people that we see everyday before we start looking for bonds with people we may never meet…

As for the judging, I wasn’t speaking to you in particular…it was a general statement.

It is fine to look at the past, but you are defined by the present as well. The things and the people around you define you as well as where you came from. And if the people around us, the Black people living in America, are not in the position where they need to be, that reflects on us all. The glory of the past does not affect the position that we are in now…we need to worry about acting on things that are happening now. The people from the past lived their lives…it is time for us to live ours…

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